Guests - Paul Parisi, Sheriff Richard Mack, Kym Adair, Jay Tolkoff, Michael Letts
Paul Parisi: Building Stronger Communities From the Ground Up
Paul Parisi, Arizona grassroots director for Our America, joined Kathleen Winn with a message that started well beyond partisan politics: communities improve when ordinary people remain engaged instead of assuming elected officials will solve every problem for them.
Our America is a national grassroots organization built around the idea that America is more than a country. Parisi described it as an idea rooted in freedom, equality of opportunity and the ability of citizens to improve the places where they live.
“We believe that America is more than a country,” Parisi said, “but an idea that all people are free and equal and have the power to change their communities for the better.”
That local emphasis appealed to Winn because frustration with government often begins at home. Residents see homelessness, crime, struggling schools and rising costs but frequently feel disconnected from the people elected to address those problems.
Parisi said Our America tries to close that gap by recruiting grassroots activists it calls “hometown heroes.”
“They are because they get involved with things,” he said.
Public Safety Without Ignoring Criminal Justice Reform
Crime and safety are among the organization’s core priorities.
Parisi said Our America supports law enforcement, including legislative efforts aimed at increasing police staffing and compensation. But he also stressed the need to address what happens after offenders serve their sentences.
“We want people to be locked up for crimes,” Parisi said. “But when they get out, we don’t want them to go back into that cycle.”
Winn agreed that violent and repeat offenders need to face consequences while acknowledging that recidivism is a legitimate public-policy concern.
That combination—supporting police while trying to reduce repeat criminal behavior—is part of the organization’s effort to frame public safety as more than a partisan talking point.
Other Our America priorities include freedom of speech, freedom of religion, the cost of living and election integrity.
Proposition 144 and the Fight Over Voter ID
Election security quickly became a major topic.
Parisi and Winn discussed Arizona Proposition 144, which they described as strengthening voter-identification and citizenship requirements, restricting foreign money and making additional changes to election administration.
Our America did not draft the measure, Parisi said, but supported the effort throughout the legislative process and testified in favor of stronger voter-ID requirements.
He said the organization encountered opponents who objected to requiring identification at the polls.
Winn found that difficult to understand.
“Why would you not want only legal voters to vote?” she asked.
For both Parisi and Winn, the principle is one person, one legal vote.
They recalled Iraq’s early democratic elections after Saddam Hussein, when voters proudly displayed purple-stained fingers indicating they had participated. The symbolism mattered because it represented a system designed to prevent repeated voting.
Parisi argued that voter identification should similarly be viewed as a confidence-building mechanism rather than a partisan weapon.
“It should be nonpartisan,” he said.
The discussion also touched on convicted felons appearing on voter rolls and the responsibility of election officials to keep registration records current. Winn argued that an ineligible vote does not merely violate a rule—it diminishes the influence of citizens legally entitled to participate.
Arizona Republicans Have Little Room for Error
The conversation moved from election administration to the political arithmetic of November.
Winn and Parisi both live in Legislative District 17, one of the most important Republican battlegrounds in Southern Arizona. Republicans need to regain a House seat while protecting their position in the Senate, Winn argued.
“We really don’t have a lot of wiggle room in Arizona,” she said.
That makes turnout critical.
Registration advantages are meaningless if registered voters stay home.
Parisi called voting “a sacred honor,” while Winn reminded listeners that Arizona’s registration deadline was approaching and urged anyone still unregistered to complete the process online or hand-deliver a form.
Juan Ciscomani and the Value of Working Across the Aisle
Parisi and Winn also discussed Rep. Juan Ciscomani following an event featuring House Speaker Mike Johnson.
Parisi praised Ciscomani as a Republican capable of working civilly with Democrats without abandoning his principles.
“Congressman Ciscomani is the most bipartisan person,” Parisi said, defining that not as ideological surrender but as the ability to work with people from another party and produce results.
Winn recalled Johnson describing Ciscomani as someone who can enter contentious rooms and build consensus, even when the disagreement comes from within his own party.
That ability, she argued, increases his effectiveness in Washington.
Ciscomani’s seat had once been considered among the most vulnerable Republican congressional seats in the country. Winn noted that the race remained competitive but was no longer being treated as one of the very worst Republican defensive positions.
She also pushed back against Democratic campaign advertising accusing Ciscomani of voting for Medicare or Medicaid cuts. Winn argued that the votes being cited concerned benefits for people in the country illegally rather than lawful beneficiaries.
Parisi framed Ciscomani’s own story as an example of the American dream.
“He’s a person that came here from another country, did it the right way, worked hard, family man,” Parisi said.
Our America has endorsed Ciscomani based on issues, Parisi added, despite identifying itself as a nonpartisan organization.
He pointed specifically to Ciscomani’s support for public safety legislation and a separate bipartisan effort that helped establish a new Arizona national park.
Our America’s Thanksgiving Mission
Parisi emphasized that Our America is not simply a political organization.
Community service is another significant part of its mission.
He highlighted the work of Dr. Emile Tompkins of Tompkins Family Chiropractic, who for roughly two decades has helped provide Thanksgiving meals for families in the Marana area.
The effort works with local schools and community organizations to identify families who genuinely need help and then provide assistance discreetly.
Each Thanksgiving package includes a turkey along with potatoes, stuffing, cranberry sauce, vegetables and other traditional meal items.
This year’s initial goal is to help roughly 140 families.
The cost is $25 per family.
“That’s a full turkey and a box with all the trimmings,” Parisi said.
Our America decided to partner with Tompkins after seeing the effort carried on year after year. Parisi described previous projects that included collecting shoes, backpacks and Christmas gifts for children.
For Winn, that kind of work gets to the heart of what grassroots involvement should mean.
Politics matters.
But community is more than an election.
Sheriff Richard Mack: Freedom, Socialism and the Battle Over America’s Direction
Former Graham County Sheriff Richard Mack joined Winn with a warning that was intentionally provocative.
His latest book, The Democrat Murder of America, argues that the country is not merely experiencing political disagreement but facing an ideological struggle over the future of individual liberty.
Mack acknowledged that the title was designed to get attention.
“My co-author and our editor all agreed on the title because we want to wake people up,” he said.
He also made clear that his criticism is directed at the direction of the Democratic Party rather than every individual Democrat.
“I know there’s a lot of good Democrats,” Mack said.
His concern is what he sees as a growing embrace of socialism and centralized government inside the party.
“America Is Dying”
Mack’s language was deliberately urgent.
“America is dying,” he said. “She’s on her deathbed.”
He described the process as methodical and political rather than accidental, arguing that Americans have slowly surrendered responsibilities and freedoms to government.
Mack invoked Abraham Lincoln’s often-cited warning that America would be more likely to destroy itself from within than be conquered by an outside power.
Winn added that foreign adversaries can still play a role by influencing American institutions internally.
For Mack, the immediate answer is civic participation.
Americans cannot continue voting automatically for the same candidates and then express shock when government continues producing the same results.
“This is more than handwriting on the wall,” he said.
Common Sense Versus Communism
Winn described the current political divide as something broader than Republican versus Democrat.
“This is common sense versus communism,” she said.
Mack agreed with the central premise and argued that communism and individual liberty cannot coexist.
“You cannot have freedom and communism,” Mack said. “They are diametrically opposite.”
He said younger Americans often encounter socialism and communism through promises of government-provided benefits without being taught the historical record of authoritarian communist regimes.
Winn summarized the problem more simply: “Nothing is free.”
Someone always pays for government benefits through taxation, borrowing or the displacement of private economic activity.
Mack argued that capitalism succeeds precisely because it is based on voluntary exchange and freedom.
“Freedom works,” he said. “That’s why capitalism works.”
Mack Says Schools Have Failed to Teach the History of Communism
Education became central to Mack’s argument.
Young voters entering their first or second national election were not alive for September 11. The Cold War is even further removed from their lived experience.
Mack believes that generational distance makes historical education more important.
“If you teach the truth about communism,” he said, “you’ll be teaching the dangers of communism.”
His book, he said, was intended partly as a history resource tracing political movements, government failures and media behavior.
Winn agreed that young Americans cannot understand what is at stake if they have never been taught what earlier generations experienced.
America is approaching its 250th anniversary, she noted, and the constitutional experiment in self-government should not be taken for granted.
Is Mack’s Book Being Suppressed?
Winn said she had difficulty finding Mack’s book through online searches even when she entered the title and his name.
She eventually located it only after repeated attempts.
“I think your book is being censored,” she told him.
Mack said he had similar suspicions, although neither offered independent evidence proving deliberate search suppression.
He encouraged listeners to bypass search engines and go directly to the book’s website.
Mack also challenged critics to read the book and debate him on its claims.
“I’ll be on any talk show about it,” he said.
A Supreme Court Fight That Still Defines Mack’s Politics
Mack’s political identity remains closely tied to his legal battle against provisions of the Brady handgun law during the Clinton administration.
He sued the federal government while serving as sheriff and ultimately prevailed at the U.S. Supreme Court in a case dealing with federal commandeering of state and local officials.
Mack sees that case as part of a larger constitutional principle: government power has limits.
That theme connects directly to his work promoting what he calls constitutional sheriffs—local law-enforcement officials who understand their oath as requiring allegiance to the Constitution rather than automatic obedience to every directive from higher levels of government.
Christians and Gun Owners Could Decide the Election
Mack repeatedly returned to turnout.
He specifically appealed to Christians and gun owners who are registered but often do not vote.
“If gun owners and Christians would get out to vote,” Mack argued, they could dramatically alter election outcomes.
He rejected the familiar excuse that one vote does not matter.
The solution he proposes in his book, he said, is peaceful and political: citizens showing up, educating themselves and participating.
“The American people have got to wake up, come together, get out and vote,” Mack said.
Pima County Government Becomes Exhibit A
Winn brought the ideological discussion back to Southern Arizona.
She pointed to Pima County’s roads, crime, police staffing and fiscal decisions as examples of what she considers the consequences of long-term progressive governance.
She also raised the Board of Supervisors’ moratorium on data-center development, which the Goldwater Institute has challenged as violating Arizona law.
“You don’t get to do whatever you want in our government,” Winn said. “You have to follow the rules. You have to follow the law.”
Mack answered from the perspective of constitutional government.
Every elected official takes an oath, he noted.
The oath matters only if officials actually treat constitutional limitations as binding.
District 5 and the Jeff Rhodes Challenge
The local discussion turned to Pima County Supervisor District 5.
Andres Cano was appointed to the seat after Adelita Grijalva moved to Congress. Winn criticized Cano’s response to violent crime in the district and his support for the data-center moratorium.
She contrasted him with Republican challenger Jeff Rhodes, who qualified for the ballot through a write-in primary effort after missing the original signature deadline.
Winn described Rhodes as a process server, mortgage banker and highly educated candidate frustrated with county spending and public safety.
The district favors Democrats, but she said some Democratic voters have expressed dissatisfaction with current leadership.
For Winn, the race demonstrates why down-ballot elections matter as much as statewide and federal contests.
Mack’s Final Argument: Remember What America Fought Against
Mack closed by returning to history.
The United States spent much of the 20th century confronting communist expansion through world wars, Korea, Vietnam and the Cold War.
He believes Americans are now becoming complacent about the same ideology earlier generations regarded as an existential threat.
“Millions of Americans dedicated their lives and lost their lives for the holy cause of liberty,” Mack said.
His appeal was not subtle.
Read.
Study.
Vote.
And understand what is being traded before giving away more power.
Kym Adair: The Arizona Bowl Is Becoming a Tucson Institution
Kym Adair, executive director of the Snoop Dogg Arizona Bowl, joined Winn after the bowl’s kickoff luncheon, an event that brought together hundreds of community leaders, athletes, coaches and volunteers.
For Adair, the luncheon demonstrated what makes the Arizona Bowl different from another football game on the calendar.
It is designed as a community event first.
The football is the centerpiece, but the economic impact, charitable giving and civic participation are just as important.
Tommy Lloyd, Noah Fifita and the People Behind the Sports
The luncheon featured Arizona basketball coach Tommy Lloyd and Arizona quarterback Noah Fifita, among other participants.
Adair said the event was an opportunity to show the public who these figures are away from the scoreboard.
“They’re phenomenal athletes and coaches,” she said, “but more importantly, they’re really great people.”
A lighthearted football-versus-basketball game of Password demonstrated that elite athletes and coaches are not necessarily elite television game-show contestants.
That was part of the charm.
“They’re great at everything else they do,” Winn joked. “So it was like, oh good, they’re human beings.”
But the more serious takeaway was their connection to Tucson.
Adair recalled Lloyd describing residents who stop him and explain that Arizona basketball gives fathers and sons something they can enjoy together.
Sports become a shared language.
“That was lovely to hear,” Adair said, because it showed “how much this community means to them.”
The Bowl’s Purpose Goes Beyond Football
Adair described two central missions for the Arizona Bowl: generate economic impact for Southern Arizona and raise money for local charities.
That makes attendance matter even for people who are not committed college-football fans.
“You get to go see Snoop and have an incredible, fun football adventure,” Adair said, “but you also do that knowing that the proceeds of this game go back to local charities.”
A full stadium means more charitable resources.
The bowl also regularly provides tickets to military members, law enforcement officers and other local heroes.
Adair said roughly 6,000 to 7,000 hero tickets are typically distributed, underwritten by businesses and individuals.
A January 2 Game Changes Bowl Week
This year brings a major scheduling change.
For the first time, the Arizona Bowl will be played January 2 instead of December.
That means the traditional New Year’s Eve downtown bowl bash will now launch the final stretch of bowl week instead of concluding it.
Adair believes the schedule is an upgrade.
Visitors can come for New Year’s Eve, experience Tucson through the holiday period and remain through game day.
The later date also provides another opportunity to showcase Tucson nationally during one of the most watched periods of the college-football postseason.
Mid-American Versus Mountain West
The 11th annual Arizona Bowl will again feature teams from the Mid-American Conference and Mountain West Conference.
The specific teams had not yet been selected.
Winn praised supporters from both conferences for traveling well and bringing energy to Tucson.
The challenge is getting Southern Arizona residents to fill the rest of the stadium.
Adair’s sales pitch was simple.
“Just show up and come to the game.”
Once people attend once, she said, the harder part is over.
“I only have to sell people once they get there,” Adair said. “Because once they get there, they come back every year.”
Snoop Dogg Wrote Music for the Bowl
One of the more unusual revelations involved Snoop Dogg himself.
Adair said that shortly before the previous bowl game, she received a folder containing roughly 10 original songs created specifically for the event.
The songs referenced the participating teams, the bowl, the fans and the experience surrounding the game.
The bowl later incorporated the recordings into promotional material and a retrospective video.
Adair described them as a memorable gift.
Winn argued that many people underestimate Snoop Dogg as a philanthropist and marketer.
His involvement elevates the event nationally.
“Snoop could have picked any game to put his name on,” Adair said. “And he picked our game.”
He has extended that partnership for another three years.
For Adair, Tucson should respond by showing him that the community values what he has brought to the event.
“Complacency Is a Four-Letter Word”
Adair refuses to assume that 11 years of success guarantees another 11.
“In my world and my philosophy, complacency is a four-letter word,” she said.
Her team is constantly looking for new events, new fan experiences and new ways to differentiate the Arizona Bowl in an increasingly crowded sports market.
That includes pep rallies, tailgates, corporate events and community partnerships.
Tickets begin at relatively affordable price points, making the bowl a potential family outing or Christmas gift.
Teachers, Heroes and Tucson’s Community Heart
Winn used the bowl conversation to make a larger point about Tucson.
The city does not have major professional sports franchises. Events such as the Arizona Bowl therefore create opportunities to bring national attention, visitors and economic activity into the region.
The bowl also supports teachers with classroom grants, helping educators who often spend their own money on supplies and special projects.
Winn praised Tucson as a generous city regardless of its politics.
“We are a very kind and generous people,” she said. “We want people to do better.”
The Arizona Bowl gives that instinct a stadium.
Jay Tolkoff: Tucson Schools Face a Math Problem That Politics Cannot Fix
Businessman Jay Tolkoff joined Winn first to reflect on the Arizona Bowl and then to tackle a far more difficult subject: Tucson Unified School District’s shrinking enrollment.
Tolkoff served on an advisory committee examining school consolidation and potential closures.
His conclusion was blunt.
The numbers no longer work.
From More Than 60,000 Students to Fewer Than 40,000
TUSD once enrolled more than 60,000 students.
Tolkoff said the district is now below 40,000, with roughly 36,000 students spread across approximately 89 schools.
At that level, the average enrollment works out to only a few hundred students per campus.
“It just doesn’t pencil out,” Tolkoff said.
Every school carries fixed costs: buildings, utilities, maintenance, administrative staff and operational overhead.
When student enrollment falls but the physical footprint remains largely unchanged, the district becomes increasingly expensive to operate.
Tolkoff Says Birth Rates Matter More Than ESAs
School-choice opponents often point to Arizona’s Empowerment Scholarship Accounts as a major reason students leave district schools.
Tolkoff said his work on the committee convinced him that ESAs are not the primary driver.
The larger issue is demographics.
Americans are having fewer children.
The economic shock of the Great Recession and long-term declines in the birth rate are now moving through schools and colleges.
Tolkoff noted that higher-education institutions are experiencing similar enrollment pressure.
“It’s really just a birth-rate thing,” he said.
That does not eliminate policy questions surrounding school choice, but it changes the scale of the problem.
TUSD cannot simply wait for tens of thousands of students who no longer exist.
The State Could Eventually Intervene
Tolkoff said TUSD is already on a state financial warning list.
If the district fails to stabilize its finances, state intervention becomes possible.
Winn suggested that might ultimately be better than continuing with leadership that refuses to make difficult choices, although Tolkoff emphasized that the advisory process itself had been serious and productive.
He described months of work examining possible consolidation scenarios.
At one meeting, approximately 40 participants were divided into working groups and asked to evaluate roughly 33 different options.
The committee would submit its analysis, but the final decision belongs to the elected school board.
Media Reports Created Fear Before Decisions Were Made
Tolkoff was sharply critical of a newspaper story identifying nine schools as potential closure targets before the committee had reached final recommendations.
He knew the report could not accurately reflect the committee’s work because at least one school included on the published list was not considered a realistic closure candidate in the process he had participated in.
“I remember seeing that headline on my newsfeed in the morning and going, ‘Huh, I’m right on the front line. I don’t know anything about this,’” Tolkoff said.
He objected not simply to inaccurate speculation but to the consequences.
Parents, teachers and neighborhoods become frightened when a headline declares that their school may disappear.
“It just created a lot of anxiety in the community and fear that didn’t need to be there,” he said.
Winn called the coverage misleading and argued that the rush to publish a dramatic prediction became more important than accurately describing an unfinished process.
Jay Tolkoff: Proposition 425 and the Argument Against a Bigger County Checkbook
Tolkoff is also chairing the campaign opposing Pima County Proposition 425.
His argument against the measure is financial and philosophical.
He believes county government is asking voters for dramatically expanded spending authority without demonstrating sufficient accountability for the money it already controls.
Tolkoff characterized the potential increase as roughly $610 million in additional unrestricted spending authority.
His objection is not merely that the number is large.
It is that county leaders, in his view, continue treating more money as the default answer to every government problem.
“Our current leadership thinks that the answer to everybody’s prayers is that if we give them more money, they can fix everything,” Tolkoff said.
“Well, they haven’t proven that out to be true.”
Efficiency Before New Spending
Tolkoff contrasted the county’s request with complaints from local officials about reductions in federal spending.
The federal government itself is deeply in debt, he noted.
That should force governments at every level to reconsider how efficiently they use existing resources.
“How about coming up with a better idea than spending more money?” he asked. “Let’s be more efficient. Let’s be more effective.”
He also criticized what he sees as excessive funding to politically connected nonprofit and community organizations.
The better question, he argued, is not how much government can spend but what taxpayers receive in return.
The No on 425 Campaign Goes Public
Signs opposing Proposition 425 were beginning to appear throughout the county.
Tolkoff said the campaign had distributed approximately 1,000 large signs in only a few days and was preparing digital advertising and mail pieces.
He openly asked supporters for financial help.
“If you believe that the county doesn’t need $610 million more unrestricted to do whatever they want without having our input,” he said, contribute to the effort.
Winn promised to help distribute campaign information to listeners seeking signs and other materials.
For both of them, Proposition 425 is shaping up as one of the most consequential local questions on the ballot.
Michael Letts: California’s Fight With Federal Immigration Enforcement
Michael Letts, a law-enforcement veteran with more than 30 years of experience and founder of Invest USA, joined Winn after California Gov. Gavin Newsom signed a package of laws aimed at restricting or regulating federal immigration-enforcement activity in the state.
Letts’ position was categorical.
He argued that California has no constitutional authority to obstruct legitimate federal immigration enforcement.
“He has absolutely no constitutional authority,” Letts said of Newsom.
The discussion was intensely critical of California’s governor, whom Letts accused of using the legislation primarily to create a political narrative against Immigration and Customs Enforcement.
Letts Says Police Are Already Operating With Limited Options
Letts used the immigration controversy to discuss the difficult choices law-enforcement officers face during physical confrontations.
Officers generally carry tools that escalate in seriousness.
A baton can cause injury and can potentially be taken away.
A Taser requires proper deployment and does not work in every situation.
A firearm is the final option and carries obvious lethal consequences.
Letts argued that those choices become particularly difficult for smaller officers confronting much larger or more aggressive subjects.
“You have to remember,” he said, “we have a lot of smaller and a lot of female officers on the force who just have a hard time dealing with a 6-foot-5, 300-pound guy.”
His point was that public debates about force often occur after the event, while officers have only seconds to choose among imperfect options.
Letts Promotes a New Electric-Glove Device
Letts also discussed a newer electric glove designed as another less-lethal tool.
He described the device as a wearable glove that delivers an electrical effect when an officer makes contact with exposed skin.
According to Letts, the goal is rapid incapacitation without the injuries associated with batons, firearms or prolonged physical struggles.
He argued that law-enforcement agencies should be evaluating technologies that could reduce the need for deadly force.
The performance and medical effects he described were his characterization of the device, but his broader point was clear: if governments demand de-escalation, officers should be permitted access to tools intended to make de-escalation possible.
The Political Battle Over Police
Letts believes the larger political objective behind repeated restrictions on law enforcement is to undermine public confidence in police.
“He wants us to view law enforcement in a negative light,” Letts said of Newsom.
He argued that demonizing police contributes to recruitment problems, staffing shortages and ultimately higher crime.
Winn agreed, saying that immigration agents in particular are being asked to perform one of the most politically contentious law-enforcement jobs in the country.
For both of them, border enforcement should not be viewed as hostility toward immigrants.
It is a basic function of national sovereignty.
Immigration, Crime and Gun Rights
Letts connected the law-enforcement debate to the Second Amendment.
He argued that politicians who weaken policing can then use rising crime as an argument for greater restrictions on lawful gun ownership.
His concern is that Americans could be placed in a cycle where government fails to provide adequate public safety and then limits citizens’ ability to defend themselves.
Letts’ framing was intentionally constitutional.
The right to keep and bear arms, he argued, was not created merely for hunting or recreation but as a safeguard against tyranny.
Letts: Vote on Principles, Not Labels
The conversation returned repeatedly to the November election.
Letts told listeners not to obsess over party names but to examine the principles being advanced by candidates.
“You don’t get hung up on the party,” he said. “What you need to get hung up on is the principle.”
He contrasted the records of Democratic and Republican administrations on immigration, public safety and crime, arguing that conservative approaches are producing better results.
Winn described the midterm as potentially the most consequential election of its kind in years.
The question, she said, is whether voters who say they oppose progressive policies actually turn out.
Don’t Let Polls Convince You to Stay Home
Letts warned conservatives against allowing discouraging polls or media narratives to suppress their turnout.
“They’re throwing the kitchen sink,” he said.
His prediction is that voters will repeatedly hear that conservatives are losing, Republican candidates are unpopular and the outcome is already determined.
He believes part of the objective is psychological.
“They don’t think they can convince you to switch,” Letts said, “but at least stay home and don’t vote.”
His response was simple: ignore the noise and participate.
Winn Returns to Arizona’s Voter Rolls
Winn closed the political portion by again raising concerns about Arizona voter-roll maintenance, including convicted felons she believes should have been removed.
She criticized Secretary of State Adrian Fontes and said the issue deserved additional attention in the coming week.
Her broader argument echoed every political guest of the day.
Registration advantages do not win elections.
Rallies do not win elections.
Polling advantages do not win elections.
Votes do.
Invest USA and Protecting Officers
Before ending, Winn returned to Letts’ nonprofit work.
Invest USA provides protective equipment to law-enforcement officers and agencies that cannot otherwise afford it.
Winn encouraged listeners interested in supporting police directly to learn more and contribute through InvestUSA.org.
For Letts, equipping officers is not an abstract political statement.
It can mean the difference between an officer going home after a shift and a family receiving devastating news.
His final message combined his public-safety work with his election argument:
Know what you believe.
Look at the results.
Support the people willing to enforce the law.
And show up when it is time to vote.